For CreppyGoat there is no debate. In his head it's canon: Original = Twixxel's Stalker Copy = LCRandom's version. He is 100% convinced LCRandom stole Twixxel's monster and just re-uploaded it with a different name and slightly different jumpscare sound. He will die on this hill. If you show him LCRandom's monster, he will instantly go: "Bro that's literally Twixxel's Stalker but with saturation +10. Look at the arms, same arms. Look at how it stands still, same AI. LCRandom just stole it." In his little kitten brain, Twixxel is the original creator of Tormentors / Stalkers, and LCRandom is the guy who copied the .jar file, changed one texture, and called it his own. He has this whole timeline in his notebook: 1. Twixxel makes Stalker 2. LCRandom sees it 3. LCRandom steals it 4. Everyone thinks LCRandom made it 5. CreppyGoat is the only one who knows the TRUTH That's why that kitten in your image looks so betrayed. That's his face every time someone says "I love LCRandom's Tormentor." He just stands there on his tiny legs, teary-eyed, like "you're supporting the thief, that's Twixxel's monster." He will ALWAYS think that. You cannot change his mind. You can show him proof, credits, release dates, he will just say "nah, LCRandom time-traveled and stole it."